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Railway vehicle; LER Q23-stock driving motor car No. 4248, 1923
An Underground train carriage painted red with double-leaf passenger doors; the roof has an unusual design with a raised section across the centre.
Simple name : Railway vehicle
Date : 1923
Collection : Vehicles
Object location : Covent Garden
Reference number : 1981/542 part 0
Associated line : District line
Operated by : London Electric Railway
Manufacturer : Gloucester Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. : 1923
Mode : Tube, Sub-surface railways
Additional information : The early electric trains used on the District line reflect American train styling and the influence of American financier Charles Tyson Yerkes. This carriage retains a raised section in the roof that was known as a clerestory and provided ventilation for the passengers. In 1938, the carriage was converted. The sliding doors were changed to air-operated doors controlled by push button. This allowed individual pairs of doors to be opened without every door in the carriage needlessly opening and letting in the cold, but this design proved to be difficult to maintain so was eventually discontinued.
Vehicle caption : Q23-stock was the name given to modernised ex-G-stock cars. The G-stock was introduced to the District line in 1923. These cars were fitted with hand-operated doors, and were nicknamed 'horse boxes' because of their narrow cabs. In 1938 this stock was modernised so that it could run with the new Q38 stock. The modernised cars had automatic doors and electro-pneumatic brakes. Car number 4248. Its presented at the Museum as it was when it came out of service in September 1971, including contemporary advertising car cards.
Colour : Red
Height : 12ft 4in
Length : 49ft 3in
Seating : 44
Weight (unladen) : 34tons 12cwt
First date in service : 1923
Last date in service : 1971
Record completeness :
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I remember these trains with great affection. As a child in the late 1950's we would travel regularly from Upton Park to Blackfriars where my father worked and once a year to Sth Kensington for the Boys Brigade Annual Display at the Albert Hall; A huge adventure. Even though the door buttons didn't work, my brother and I still pressed them ! I remember the small blue hued lights at the ends of each carriage which Dad told us were the only lights used during the blackout in WWII. Those childhood journeys led to a lifetimes interest in the underground and the tube . Don from Cambridgeshire
I remember this vehicle and some other Q23 cars on the East London line in the late 60's and early 70's as a child. I was 15 in 1970 and they seemed very archaic but had a presence all their own even in the then standard LT interior colours of dark green panels and varnished wood. I was exploring the LT system on One Day Rover tickets ... purchased in advance at the pay office at Sutton bus garage on my way home from school so I could get an early start on the Saturday, clocking uop as many miles as possible on the bus and underground all day for 2s/6d If memory serves me right.... happy days when a child could wander the tube system and feel safe. John from Birmingham
These trains were comfortable to drive and fast, although slow to accelerate.They could be brought to a smooth stop braking was very good.The RPA equipment was above your head, clicking away when you started to accelerate. David from Norwich

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